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23-year-old Burmese permanent resident spoke out against xenophobic sentiments

 

Simon, the 23-year-old Burmese permanent resident who completed his national service but still couldn’t become a citizen here,  has graciously completed a online  interview with us.  His earlier article Foreigner served national service but still rejected as citizen has created a online storm as he wrote against the anti-foreigner sentiments brewing in our country.

Expect another online controversy to stir as he answers our questions with candour and unpleasant frankness.

Transitioning wishes to reiterate that we are not xenophobic in outlook but rather we want our foreign friends to respect our people, culture and practices.

Of course it has to be two-way and we wish that any comments posted will be civil and cordial.

Transitioning: Can you please state your educational qualifications, salary range, age, marital status and work experience?

Simon: Diploma in New Media, 23 , Single

Employed but commencing work at end of October due to external commitments. Fresh Graduate/ORD. Cannot disclose salary but within acceptable range for diploma graduates. 

Transitioning: How long have you work in Singapore? Are you on a work permit or already a permanent resident?

Simon: Lived 15 years. PR. 

Transitioning: Describe how you view Singapore both as a place of work and residence?

Simon: Competitive job market like most countries. Attitude of many locals towards foreigners is very unpleasant. Only some not all.

Transitioning: Why do you choose Singapore to live and work in?

Simon: I didn’t choose Singapore. My parents did.

Transitioning:  How do you feel about the recent anti-foreign sentiments brewing in Singapore?

Simon: I think it’s understandable that some people are resentful due to the fact that the presence of foreigners makes the job market more competitive. A competitive job market is important to keep the economy in good condition, and the faster locals realise this, the less problems and conflicts there will be.

While the mental animosity towards foreigners is UNDERSTANDABLE, the physical and verbal reactions towards them is UNACCEPTABLE and shows a lack of GRACE and MATURITY on these individuals. Again, emphasis on individuals, not as a whole. 

Transitioning: Personally, do you face any xenophobic reaction from the local people here?

Simon: Wouldn’t be a normal day if didn’t receive/see/experience at least one racist/xenophobic comment or action. Long story short : EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.  

Transitioning: What do you think the country should do to better integrate foreigners into the society?

Simon: While many foreigners are doing their best to integrate into local society, it seems to be a one sided relationship so to speak.

Many foreigners have the skills necessary to be gainfully employed and a good number of them speak acceptable English (keep in mind, most locals speak SINGLISH so they’re really not in a position to criticise others’ language skills either).

However, the very FACT that they are foreigners automatically earns them a lower level of respect from many locals. So the question I believe should be what should the country do to better teach these individuals basic respect for a human being? And as always, it’s not everyone –  just some.

 I would also agree that some foreigners don’t try to integrate into local society as well. But I don’t judge ALL locals by the actions of a few. But it seems to me that many locals judge ALL foreigners in that manner.

Most locals proudly recite the pledge when they have to but many are not carrying out what they pledge. Let me quote one part of the pledge “Regardless of RACE, LANGUAGE OR RELIGION” and “Based on justice and EQUALITY”. I don’t really see much of that happening right now.

The pledge is great, but it’s just words in a passage unless it is carried out by the people saying it. I’ve yet to experience what that feels like though.  

Transitioning: Do you have any good local friends in Singapore whom you can go out with or talk to?

Simon: A few. They are very good individuals who judge me for who I am, not where I was born. They are the epitome of what a citizen of the world should be like. Though they have flaws, their flaws don’t show them to be xenophobes and complainers to the rest of the world. However, these individuals are few and far between. 

Transitioning: Will you take up citizenship and sink your roots into Singapore?

Simon: I would. If I could.

But the outbreak of xenophobia makes it difficult for me to obtain citizenship and also, even if I WAS granted citizenship, my nationality will not change. THAT might also make xenophobes hate me. Worrying isn’t it?

The thought that even being a citizen, I still might not be accepted due to the fact that I wasn’t born here. What they are now calling “true, blue citzens”. Ironic that the IC colour of PRs is blue as well.

This whole true blue citizen/pure citizen thing reminds me of something. If you read Harry Potter you might know. They talked about deatheaters (evil, conceited, arrogant people..sound familiar?) who go around classifying wizards and witches into “pure-bloods” and “mud-bloods”. This is what’s happening right now.  

Transitioning: What one thing do you hope to see change while living in Singapore?

Simon: I hope that common sense, humility and the will to work hard can be somehow injected into some of the locals here, much like a vaccine shot. And maybe a cure for xenophobia would be good as well. As always, what I say apply ONLY to those individuals who  are out there blaming everything left, right and centre. Not to all.

End of interview and thank you.

Editor’s note: If you are a foreigner and wishes to participate in this online interview, please email gilbert@transitioning.org. We will email you the same questionaire for you to complete. We reserve the right to edit the article as we deem fit. Thanks.

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76 Responses to “23-year-old Burmese permanent resident spoke out against xenophobic sentiments”

  1. oute says:

    Hello, let us be fair and hope that he would support the following and give equal rights to their own people.

    In what constitutes one of the most protracted displacement situations in the world, Bangladesh hosts more than 29,000 refugees from Myanmar’s northern Rakhine State. These refugees, who are members of an ethnic, linguistic and religious minority in Myanmar, reside in the two camps of Kutupalong and Nayapara in Bangladesh’s south-eastern district of Cox’s Bazar. This population is what remains of the 250,000 refugees from Myanmar who arrived in 1991, most of whom subsequently returned home.

    Quote:
    The Government estimates that another 200,000 unregistered people of concern from Myanmar live in Bangladesh without any legal status, mostly in the villages outside the camps. Up to 40,000 of them live adjacent to or near Kutupalong and Nayapara camps, forming two settlements called the Kutupalong Makeshift Site and the Leda Site.

  2. Ice says:

    I think Simon convineintly ignore the very first sentence of the pledge, i.e., “We, the CITIZEN of Singapore….”, and since he is not a citizen of Singapore, why should we treat foreigners equally when we pledge as a Citizen of Singapore?

    As Oute said, the Burmease are much worst than us, probably a million times worst by persuting its own citizen.

    Why Simmon’s parent chose to come to Singapore is a mystry if Burma is as good as what Sion thinks it is that is based on justice and equality….

    So stop complaining and get on with your life, if you are not happy, you are free to go back to Burma.

  3. For Real of Not? says:

    After reading the mess of information provided by Simon, this is what i gather (and much of it doesn’t make sense):

    1. He is 23 now and it seems has gone thru many jobs before (QUOTE and unquote from him personally) and met all types of people. Yet, he just ORD on April 2012 (just 5 months ago) and prior to NS was in poly. So, what type of work (besides tuition) was he involved in, when he is still basically still a student?

    2. At 23 now, he was 21 when he entered NS. Before 21, a second generation PR is requested to renounce his citizenship in his home country before being allowed to accept Singapore citizenship. This is so because Singapore does not allow dual citizenships.

    If he was older than 21 at the time of entering NS and had not renounced his citizenship and surrendered his foreign passport to his Myanmar embassy, then any application via the unit would have been null and void.

    The applicant would have to apply for citizenship under his merit when he has found a job later.

    3. Also which are the organizations which are so discriminatory that it does not even entertain PR applications? Can state the name of the organizations here and now? For SPF/SAF/Civil Defence….all accept PR applications.

    4. Also why would any organization hire a person on a permanent basis when it’s clear that you are pursuing higher education in the university a year or less later??

    There is so much smokescreen in these posts and this is what i surmise.

    There is alot of things that said which are very inconsistent and shows the character of the OP.

  4. Hong says:

    “regardless of race, language and religion”

    Singapore had been doing very well for the past 40 years or so. Our 3 main races living in harmony, we respect one another, no country did it better.

    We have high tolerance towards different cultures, as shown in the past 40 years. We made compromises and friends with one another, we even enjoy the same food like nasi bryani and all the curry.

    Obviously there must be something foreigners make locals not willing to accept them. It’s not just 1 or 2 isolated cases of bad foreigners. I see bad ones everyday, on the bus/mrt/work place/shopping center, even my neighbour, basically everywhere. But for good ones, once in a blue moon.

    • Simon says:

      @Hong: I could say the same for locals too. I see bad ones every day too. And good ones, once in a decade perhaps? But you don’t see me generalising. You’re free to do it though. Its a free country. Being ignorant is not a crime. At least not yet.

  5. Duck says:

    Just curious being in Singapore for more than 15 years and not many good friends. We are a reflection of each other , perhaps Simon needs to work on that, sometimes we dont see our flaws. In fact It doesn’t sound good to me he was commenting our English as Singlish. I have one very old foreign friends, very rich and been here as long as Simon, and I get so much negativeness and complain from him on our local citizen. Having said that , it’s either you fit in here or not. Maybe it’s time to plan to move so your be happier. Even Singaporeans know their own flaws, they will never like criticisms from foreigners. You take it or leave. For Simon I live and work overseas many years and in an Arab country , there’s definitely lots of injustice and struggles but I never voice up like Simon, I am just a foreigner and I always felt I appreciated the country I lived at for good or bad. As a Singaporean here, I acted otherwise as this is our rights. Hope you will get better over time. Try going out smiling and positive and see some positive changes hopefully …

  6. Duck says:

    Just to share,if you would have voiced up like Simon in the middleeast on the locals even your not wrong, regardless of your status, you will be thrown behind bars and sent back to your country. I think Singapore people are not that bad. My best friend , a pinoy always get good vibes from locals because she is extremely humble, cheerful and polite.

  7. J Y says:

    Finally, he is more objective here than in the previous comments whereby he came across as someone very subjective and argumentative in using strong words to defend his stand.

    Basically, he is young and still lack the practical life/ work experiences that the mainly ‘old’ people here have accumulated over the years. The way he put his thoughts in words remind me of Fabian, the Hans Cafe supervisor. Maybe he can be good buddies with Fabian. Both are young and full of hopes for their future, except that they haven’t go through what we ‘old’ people went through.

    At first, I pity him for not getting citizenship while his whole family is here, but from his arguments, he seemed not able to accept people who hold a different perspective than him. He should learn to be calm and restrained while defending his stand.

    I think Gilbert post his story here to let us have another half of the picture from the perspective of a foreigner. There are always 2 or more sides to a situation.

    We are living in an increasing complex world with increasing globalisation. In many scenarios, there are no clear cut right or wrong answers. I believe we all speak from our past experiences which shape or affect our views somehow.

    Let me reiterate that I am not 100% against FTs and is peace-loving by nature. I think by the laws of nature, we tend to integrate better with people with similar personalities, values and interests as us.

    Simon always believe hard work pays off and dislikes people who think they can get whatever they want base on being a citizen, instead of working hard. This theory is not wrong, but in reality, we live in a complex world with complex people around us.

    Many ‘old’ people here have worked very hard for all their lives, but the sad part is that many people got retrenched when there are cheaper and faster alternatives available. Some of us here don’t even got our pay for reasonable work done when the companies got bankrupt, or when they were out to cheat you.

    Many people also go to MOM without any recourse and we just have to close our cases. We have to consider that it was our misfortune and move on in life. The problem is that once you are ‘old’, your value drop in the eyes of the employers.

    It is not that we are xenophobic here. When our livelihood is at stake, where can we go? Thus, we are just against the govt policies and ungracious individuals, not all FTs in general.

    • Simon says:

      Hi J Y : You make a very valid point and although I didn’t like some of your comments on the other article, your comment here has shown me that you are not like the rest. As a person, as an individual, my respect for you has increased. You are right in saying that I am young, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that I have no experience in life. Sure I might have breathed less air then the “old” people here but that doesn’t mean I have only gone through good times. To those who ask me how can I have work experience if I was studying, there’s a hyphenated word for it. It’s called part-time. Sure the pay isn’t great and you don’t really get much benefits. But you still meet people all the same, still have situations where you learn from or about other people. Perhaps those who doubt me have never had to work part-time as a student. Perhaps their parents were so well to do that they never had to worry about money and thus now has become so aloof that they think so highly of themselves. Or maybe they were those that didn’t care even if the family had financial problems. Either way, the fact of the matter is that I worked part-time to earn extra and to have some experience with dealing with people. I wouldn’t be so sure of what I want and won’t be the person I am today if I hadn’t worked. I wanted to be independent, self reliant. And with my part-time work and full time studies, I have more or less achieved that. And I have learnt not to judge people, to respect people for who they are not where they’re from. But sadly my friend J Y, many have not learnt that. They see some individuals behaving badly and they label us all as a whole. I don’t come here to complain about locals or discriminate against them. If we are able to coexist peacefully and be able to resolve the problems without insulting each other, I will gladly welcome it. I don’t necessarily agree with the policy of bring in SO MANY foreingers at once. I do agree they need to slow it down. But what I hate the most is not the fact that people want less foreigners. What I hate most is the insults and disrespect being shown to us. If you want someone to not visit or come to your house, then declining them politely is a the way. Be rude to them and it shows your neighbours (other countries) and the rest of your guests (foreigners who are already here) what kind of a host you are. And soon others will refuse to invite you over as well. I hope everyone here understands what I am saying. You are free to not want more outsiders, but stop all this name calling of foreign trash, aliens, foreign fuckers, and all other offensive names. If you are an Asian in a western country, you wouldn’t want them calling you chinks, or ching chong, or some other racist/insulting name would you? If you don’t like it then don’t do it to others. Opinions are the right of everyone but sometimes words should be controlled. If you insult us by calling names, then don’t blame us for returning the favor. Right?

  8. chillax says:

    I have a few direct words for the third world pumpkin. Get your ass back to burma and grow rice or catch field rats for a bbq!

    • Simon says:

      @Chillax: You’re the kind of person that society doesn’t need. Hopefully you and everyone like you are struck down by a disease and die a slow and painful death. I’ve tried to civil with people on this website but it seems to be a futile attempt at trying to attach wings to an ostrich and hoping it would fly. I do have stronger, ruder comparisons in mind but I will not sink to your level of hurling insults. I thank god every day that I am at least more civilised that you are, no matter where my origins are. And Gilbert, if you do not remove this chillax fellow’s insulting remarks, you are not keeping to your words of keeping this website civil. You know very well how civil I have been here, if it doesn’t get taken out, mark my words, my following comments will not be so forgiving. And if he insults me and you leave the comment and you delete my comments towards him, then you are showing that you are not impartial either. Many here want to speak ill of me, no doubt some will be able to connect with me. To those who say that I’ve been here but don’t have many close friends, its simply because many of your local children are taught that they are better then other nationalities and most of them did not bother to be civil towards me when they interact with me. If they choose to be aloof and conceited, I won’t waste my time trying to wake them up. So to all of you out there, who still thinks you’re better then everyone just because you’re local and think we should respect you but you don’t have to respect us. The hell with you, and sooner or later the world will teach you a lesson about humility. I’ve been nice to everyone here who has been civil to me. Don’t blame me for lashing out if I get insulted by you. So my dear chillax, perhaps you should go offline and go work at a macdonald’s or something. From your mindset, its seems that’s where you belong. Or you can join the cohort of locals who don’t work hard but expect everything to be done for them. The bunch of losers will probably welcome you with open arms. You call me a thirld world pumpkin, at least I’m educated enough to survive in the world. People like you always look to the govt for help, like babies and cripples, waiting to be helped and assisted in everything you do. You will never learn self reliance. Don’t come and tell me Singapore became this way because the citizens are self reliant. That was when Singapore got independence. It was your ancestors’ hard work to develop it, you didn’t have a hand in it so stop claiming credit for what your ancestors have done. Others are here to work hard and achieve something too. So if you look down on them go ahead. Sooner or later, these people who work hard now will be your children and grandchildren’s employers and when that time comes, we will NOT forget the way you treated us and will gladly repay the favor with interest. Enjoy your meaningless, selfish life you waste of space.

      • Llf says:

        Our ancestors ?? Shit , I was born before 1959 self
        Govt,, even so, our ancestors build this nation for us,
        Not to be replaced by two million n possibly more
        Foreigners
        The govt will be replaced by its own stupidest
        Immigration policy!
        U r not fuxkin idea what we suffer before 1959,
        U know a shit about racial riots in 1964,
        Is the culture n system we build, de infrastructure is easy
        Even so, infrastructures were built before mass migration
        Of 2 million from 2005 onwards.
        U r an idiot but u think u know a lot n u think
        All de posters here r ur age.
        Insulting gilbert who is old enough to be ur father
        Even ur father is possibly younger than me,
        Oh u r smarter, n we r shit old men,
        Our singlish Is
        Dont teach your father how to fuxk !
        Just to explain to u, idiot,
        Do u know that if ur father does not know,
        U will not be born
        But of course u do not know that!
        Signed Off
        Old Overseas sg
        Hahaha

        • David says:

          I am referring to “The govt will be replaced by its own stupidest Immigration policy!”

          Some of the govt members who make the stupidest Immigration policy are foreign born Singaporean & maybe PR.

          2016 election is still far away & do you think govt will be replaced by its own stupidest Immigration policy first or their stupidest Immigration policy will replaced Singaporean like you & me for foreigner first?

  9. Duck says:

    I am also reflecting …

    When we think about how to create more happiness, we typically look for things to achieve and add to our lives. However, sometimes the key to happiness is actually giving up certain perspectives and behaviors. Here are a few things to give up in order to become happier individuals.
    Give up the habit of blaming. Blame is a scapegoat for taking responsibility of your own outcome. It is a lot easier to point the finger at someone or something else instead of looking within. Blame is not constructive. It does not help you or the other person — nobody wins in the blame game. The amount of energy and stress it takes to blame just takes away from you moving forward and finding a solution.
    Give up your need to impress. When you accept who you are, and you embrace your quirks, flaws, strengths and vulnerability, you get a lot more comfortable in your own skin. And when you’re confident, you stop caring so much about what everyone thinks of you. You stop worrying if someone will like you or not, because deep down you know that the people who falsely judge you don’t matter in your life.
    Give up being a victim. The perspective that you are just the result of all external variables deflects responsibility for taking control over your own life. It is unfortunate that sometimes bad things happen to the best of people. Life can be unfair, unkind and unjust. However, being stuck in a victim mentality does not nurture your ability to move forward and onward.
    Give up feeling entitled. Nobody owes you anything. Nobody. When you approach life with the perspective that you are owed things, it’s likely that you will find yourself disappointed time and time again. When you are grateful for what you have, and see positive things as bonuses versus owed expectations, you will be surprisingly pleased.
    Give up pretending. In a society where we are rewarded for perfection, we are constantly role playing. We try to show the world that we are flawless human beings in hopes that we will be liked and accepted. But the beauty of us lies in our vulnerability, our love, our deep, complex emotions… our humanness. When we embrace who we are and decide to be authentic instead of perfect, we open ourselves up to have true connection with others. There is no need to put on a show. There is no need to pretend to be something or someone that you are not. You are perfect the way you are.
    Amy Chan is a relationship and lifestyle blogger.
    For more by Amy Chan, click here.

    • Simon says:

      Very enlightening words from you Duck. I would like to say the same. But you know how it is. I’ve looked at myself. For starters I know the govt doesn’t owe me a citizenship just because I served NS. I never said anything about what I am owed. I know that if I want citizenship, I will have to prove myself. I have no problems with this. My first article was solely to let people know that it is NOT as easy as they might think to be a foreigner here. All this talk of “benefits” that we have over locals are just misconceptions. Although my article is directed at creating awareness, many of them for some reason took offense at the fact that I spoke up about it. It appears to me that they didn’t like foreigners who speak up. They want docile, slave-like foreigners who would take whatever abuse they were hurled at. And when they realised I wasn’t the type of foreigner they were used to, they stared to discredit me, insult me. All because I wanted to share my experience and explain things.
      And now all they do is continue the insults and discrediting. Up to the point where the main purpose of my article is lost.
      From your words, you say stop thinking that people owe you anything. But these people fail to realise, I don’t owe them anything. They seem to think it is due to their good graces that I am here. When it was really due to my own hard work. And when I tell them that, they don’t like it. They want to feel that it is their benevolence that allows us to be here when they didn’t lift a finger to help my well-being. All I want here to create awareness, and to stop the hate mongering. But I have realised, after reading your words, that some of these people will never change. Their egos have brought them to a point where they think that everyone else is lower then them and that they alone are perfect human beings who are beyond wrong.
      So since this is what they think, I have decided to let them be whatever they want to be. Because your words made me realise something. At the end of the day, what matters is the respect of the people I care about. The people that love and care about me should be the ones I am concerned about. For these few people, I wouldn’t even give a passing glance if I saw them dying on the streets. So do I really want or need their respect? Now I realise that I don’t. My friends and family respect and love me. That’s all that really matters. So they can disrespect me all they want, because at the end of the day, when all is said and done, most of these people will have never had much of an impact in my life. Thanks for sharing those wise words with me. I couldn’t care less about these people now.

  10. For Real of Not? says:

    @Simon

    You most definitely had not been civil here.

    Come on, please read your own posts and decide for yourself. Even request Gilbert Goh to do the same.

    Why did you think so many Singaporeans are reacting negatively to your posts? Firstly, you went off-tangent and tried to imply that Singaporeans as a whole are not as hard working as some of the foreigners here like yourself. And then also implied that Singaporeans are a condescending lot, who have a higher opinion of themselves when compared to other foreigners (like yourself again). You even implied that if someone Gilbert Goh thought that way, then he is a lost cause.

    ALL THESE ARE ALL QUOTED FROM YOUR OWN WORDS.

    Your last post even condemned someone to be struck down by a disease and die a slow death.

    How are such words, an example of a civil and upright person.

    The only one who needs to be moderated here is yourself for your unsolicited insults on Singaporeans.

    Gilbert Goh kindly moderate.

    • Simon says:

      You are another one who only seeks to side your own countrymen and not see the story from an unbiased point. Before you judge me on what I said to the guy, look at what the guy said to me first. If he insults me, its only fair and understandable that I return the favor. If you are expecting me to take an insult lying down just because I am a foreigner, think again buddy. If my comments are removed then Gilbert had better made sure his comments are as well. Otherwise he is condoning his behavior while prohibiting mine. I only seek fairness. If thats too much to ask for please come right out and say it to my face. Tell me that you don’t want things to be fair. Tell me IN MY FACE that I’m supposed to take the insult and say nothing back because I am foreigner, tell me that you want to put me lower then yourselves because of that. Because so far, ever since the start, this is what I am getting from most of you here. If you dare to say that to me, then it’ll be a step in the right direction. All of you here are talking like you are so right when all you are doing is making yourselves sound more superior then me with no other advantage then being locals. So don’t come talking to me about who insults who. You are no better then me as a man. You just THINK that you are. You don’t say anything about the other party insulting me but jump at the opportunity to berate me. I’ve proven my point. You few are the small percentage that can never see the truth of any situation but always think that you are in the right and want unfair advantages for yourselves at all times. So say what you want, I no longer register the few of you as human beings.

      And don’t put words in my mouth saying that I don’t like all locals. If you read my article and answers through properly without jumping to attack me, you will see that I always say its only some people. Not all. If you failed to read that then too bad. The majority of the population know what I mean. You are but a handful of ignorant people. The rest of the country don’t think like you, thank god. Have fun being keyboard warriors with no guts to do anything worthwhile in life. Just continue doing things that will only benefit you and not everyone at large. Selfishness and conceit seems to be the order of the day for the few of you.

  11. For Real of Not? says:

    Our DPM Teo Chee Hean had commented on 9 Jam 2012, that a total of 2% of PRs had their citizenship applications rejected because of their adverse record during NS and also not being to qualify based on their own merits.

    I will be more than happy to call up MINDEF on your behalf, if you had documentary proof that your S1 did sign and endorse your application.

    Even the Japanese guy, who became stateless at the age of 22, managed to get his citizenship reinstated, when he forgot to go for his formal Oath of Allegiance ceremony.

    Perhaps MINDEF and ICA can shed some light on this matter because no one in the blogsphere (sgblog, sammyboy, A1, HWZ etc)….really believe in this story.

    It has nothing to do with Singaporeans being xenophobic but many of the responses actually come from PRs themselves who went through the motion to get citizenship. Yet, even amongst ‘PRs’…..this story don’t jive at all and the sentiments are shared between Singaporeans also.

  12. For Real of Not? says:

    So, the answer is already stated in the media.

    98% of all applications for PRs (who are in the process of doing NS or completed NS) to citizenship are approved by ICA, with reference from MINDEF.

    Simon belongs to the 2%.

    Are there any information that he is not telling us?

  13. Anon says:

    If anyone from ICA or MHA or SPF see this bugger’s writings, immediately they will point him out as suspicious character. Very standard for someone with something to hide or having some mental defect to be ultra-defensive, always seeing some hidden attacks and xenophobia in other people’s writings and comments. Writing long rambling argumentative whines which doesn’t directly answer questions is a symptom of shady characters with things to hide, and these people are embarrassed by them — they know what they did or have is not anything good.

    • Simon says:

      @Anon: HA! You see how it is? Someone called me a third world country pumpkin and I get angry. And its MY fault for being defensive, and the fact that chillax INSULTED me was completely overlooked. Obvious that you are biased. So your comment is no longer credible. If you don’t want anyone to be defensive, don’t insult them. If you insult, don’t come and say I’m being defensive. You’d do the same, you biased hypocrite.

      • Simon says:

        @Anon: Ignore my previous comment. I no longer give a hoot what you say or think. You’re not a big part of my life. Just a name I see online passing through. I don’t mean to offend you. You’re welcome to continue to insult me all you want. I no longer need to care if you respect me or not. I’ve realised that your respect really means nothing to me. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. I mean it in a good way. I really couldn’t care about anything related to you. Your words, your respect, your opinion, your life. Its all meaningless to me now because I simply don’t care about what you think because you will never affect my life.

      • jj@39 says:

        Simon, i think you are the one who started all these.

        It is ok for you to air your views or tell us your troubles but you vent your anger on us & those comments & replies of yours are really hurting.

        You have make others so angry that many decided not to be nice to you. You can’t expect others to treat you nice after all these comments & replies of yours.

        • Simon says:

          @jj: you don’t know what some people here called me. it takes 2 hands to clap. before I even put in any comments some of them were calling me, rice farmer or third world country pumpkin. So when they call me that I am not allowed to be offended but when I retaliate it is understandable that they get angry? What kind of biased double standard is that?

          • jj@39 says:

            Simon, you care a lot about the names what others called you. So do you care about others’ feelings when you insulted them? You showed little or no respect to others & mocked at others as you like. It is all reflected in your comments & replies.

            Transitioning is a support site for S’poreans. Surely you knew what will happen when you posted your kind of comments & replies here right? If your answer is no, then that really puzzles me.

            ICA has some kind of merits system to approve/disapprove foreigners their PR or citizenship applications. What we commented here or other forums are unlikely to have any effects on ICA bcoz there is already some systems & SOP in place.

            You are not the only foreigner in S’pore. You are not the only Burmese in S’pore too. There are many foreigners from other nations living here. Do you think you are the only one who is being rejected for citizenship? Some can’t even get the PR. You are just blaming others for your own failure in obtaining citizenship or a job.

            Surely you have checked with ICA the reasons why they rejected your citizenship application right? Did they tell why was your applicant being rejected? How many times have you apply? 2, 3, 4times? Did not apply again or all have failed?

            I know some PR or S’pore citizens who married foreigners went to seek help from MP on PR or citizenship matters? Did you went to see your MP? Did not or the ICA rejected you again?

            If every or an increase numbers of foreigners behaves like Simon, S’pore will be in bigger trouble. To me, S’pore really have to stop issuing PR to foreigners. We are unlike those big countries with a lot of resources, we can’t afford to have a big population & so many foreigners living here. Now even some big countries with a lot of resources also act cautiously in letting foreigners into their lands.

      • Ice says:

        Come on, Simon, have a big heart, as what PM LHL said. When you are being abused and being called dogs, just have a big heart and say thank you to the abuser.

        Maybe you should take that advice from PM LHL.

        Okay, now back to the name calling….. personally I do not think all these name callings are justified. So I personally hope that we can all stop these act.

        Now to Simon, as i said previously, if you are so unhappy here, you are alsys free to leave and go back to Burma. This is a free country and I am sure the government will not stop you from returning to Burma. I am pretty optimistic about Burma’s future since the opening up, so maybe one day, you can hit it big there..

  14. moderator says:

    This quarrel was unwanted & i am sorry it happened to all parties, but I do want to ask a question don’t you think our obsession with xenophobia are a bit overboard, I don’t want to get into Race slamming & calling names & stuff. And I will say this I am not an expert in multi cultures of all nations but the question is if simon cannot even respect or wanna learn s’pore culture & says Singaporeans speak singlish, what’s the point of talking about his citizenship or integrating into a gracious multicultural society? Mindef was right about this burmese rice farmer after all now that he has shown his true colours after failing to get citizenship well his colors does not consist of red or white of a flag but of a skin brown colour that will never match or blend into our society.

    • Simon says:

      @moderator: you’re not sorry there was a conflict. you’re just sorry you couldn’t find more insults for me. you say I talk about singlish because I don’t want to integrate. its not that. You just only see what I say and don’t get what I mean. I talked about singlish because many people are comparing themselves to foreigners saything that foreigners speak bad english and looking down on them. all i said is that most locals speak singlish (which is not proper english too) and so they are in no position to judge others’ level of english. if you were a chinese, would u like to be judged on your chinese language skills by someone who don’t speak proper chinese as well? think about it. what i do here is to tell these people who think they have the right to judge. if they judge others, i will judge them. fair and square. if majority of the population gets it and these few don’t then i guess you guys are well behind the curve when it comes to being reasonable.

      • For Real of Not? says:

        If you didn’t know, Singlish itself is not English per se but an amalgation of various elements of Singapore which includes colloquialism from Hokkien, Cantonese, Malay, Eurasian, Indian and various dialects of our culture.

        Singaporeans are very much proud of their ability to speak Singlish and a litmus test for foreigners to integrate into our society is their ability to comprehend Singlish and speak it if you may.

        Singlish is no way a low class form of English, as many people would lead you to understand.

        It is so recognised nowadays that is accorded it’s rightly place in webster’s dictionary as an alternate form of colloquialism of English.

        Many of my Ang Mo friend’s recognise this and also understand that Singaporeans can easily revert to proper English, as and when the situation requires them to use it. For example, in official business correspondences. We have to ‘thank’ our government for instilling some degree of bilingualism through many years of indoctrination in the Commonwealth mode of education.

        Integration into society means that you understand the various idiosyncrasies of a particular culture, instead of making the mistakes of lambasting things about ‘local culture’ (which many have made the mistake of doing) and realizing it’s a mistake before it’s too late.

      • jj@39 says:

        Simon, What is wrong in using Singlish? Didn’t you say you want to become a Singapore citizen? As a Singaporean, i don’t see anything wrong in speaking Singlish.

        As a Chinese, I am quite good in the Chinese language but when i was in PRC regardless how good i am even when i can spoke better than some of the PRC, still many PRC mocked at me for stealing their culture.

        How much do you understand the English language. Even in English language, you can also find words use from latin or Persian language such as modus operandi, de facto & bazaar in it.

        In UK, English language is use a little bit differently & speak with accents depending on which parts of UK you are from. The UK is divided into serveral regions – England, Wales, Scotland & N.Ireland. There are different dialects use in UK besides English language. People will know how to use the English language mixed with dialects.

        English language is also use a little bit differently & speak with accents among the many white people living in Australia, NZ & USA.

  15. jj@39 says:

    I really hope that Gilbert can meet up with Simon in person. Why?

    Bcoz nobody here knows who he is? He could be like he said he is – a 23-year-old single Burmese permanent resident who completed his national service who has a poly Diploma in New Media. Or he could be someone else.

    I also hope someone from PAP especially someone from PAP leader or mgmt level is reading the comments & replies on this too. Let them know that their foreigners policy didn’t work out well.

  16. Sg_sg_ says:

    http://www.transitioning.org/2011/01/23/ex-nus-graduate-im-a-failed-product-of-our-meritocratic-educational-system/#comment-1584113

    HERE IS A MORON FOREIGNER WHO CALLED
    SG DOWN SYNDROMED WHO DISAGREE WITH MASS INFLUX OF
    IMMIGRATION
    HE WAS TO BAN SG WHO DISAGREE WITH HIS
    SHIT TO BE CAST AWAY FROM OUR OWN COUNTRY !

    I suggest all Sg concerned make a magistrate complaint
    Against this enemy , other foreigners who can respect
    Each other views are most welcome
    Signed off
    Sg overseas

    • Simon says:

      @Sg_sg_: Oh hey you’re back…Google translate finally back online?? Or have you switched to a different translating client?? As usual, your comments are full of hate, without sense or reason whatsoever. I don’t even know what language is that? Copy and paste what you want to say in chinese to google translate and copy and paste what it says here? Wow, seems its not really working out for you..and no its not you welcome other foreigners who respect EACH OTHER view. You want those who respect your view only. You never respected my view. And so I don’t see why I should. For sure I’m not going to agree to what you say simply because your local, c’mon I have free will. If you don’t like it, maybe start importing slaves..

  17. Sg_overseas says:

    Simon says:
    August 13, 2012 at 1:56 am
    Dear Gilbert Goh,

    First of all, let me start off in a positive way. You have a little talent in manipulating people to think your way. I saw your speech during your stint as an NSP member. Way to go with the story of “Mark”. If he even exists. Really? Mark, a diploma holder, was earning $7k before he was replaced by a foreigner? In what economic climate doea a DIPLOMA holder earn $7k at any point in his life? Am I missing something here? A fabricated story perhaps, to rile the (jobless) masses up? Let me put your whole “Singapore for Singaporeans/Singaporeans First/Support Local Talent” idea into another perspective. You did get quite a number of supporters and fans for your idea, but lets face it. If you put 50 children with Down’s syndrome in a room, there’s going to be a lot of hugging. Nothing against these kids but what I’m trying to imply is that these “special” kids are going to love each other. Same thing for all those who support you. By that I mean the portion of the population who as some of the readers here so justly described as thinking that the govt/society owes them a living just for being born here; not wanting to work hard a single day of their lives and expect everything to be the stuff of fairy tales. When they realise that out there is the cold, cruel world (I’d like to think of it as competitive/realistic world) they start to question why the govt is not holding a silver spoon to their mouths when in reality what the govt is SUPPOSED to do (and is actually doing) is to lay out the goodies evenly to allow each individual to partake of the success as how their abilities and perserverance allows. I believe that individual struggle and eventual accomplishments is what seperates people into lazy and hardworking. And from the ideas you are extolling, its obvious which group you belong to. You and your supporters would gladly sit idly by, blaming everyone/everything else but yourselves for not achieving the same success others are working hard to get.

    All your talk about upgrading skills, your helplines for educated people (locals) who are out of jobs amount to NOTHING if you don’t teach them humility. Many HR Managers have openly spoken (on radio I believe) that they DO want to hire locals. However its not easy when locals are demanding more simply because they are locally born and educated. The world is globalizing. Its a fact you have to face and if you’re not prepared for it, I’d suggest you and your therapy buddies can pool your resources together, buy yourselves an island somewhere, develop it all by yourselves and you can be Emperor Douchebag The First. Set down laws with zero entry to foreigners. Of course it might be pretty tough. The people following you there are jobless for a reason. Its not because they have no qualifications. Its because they have decent qualification and too much pride. Everyone is going to want to be highly paid and highly regarded. However, your hardships while developing your island country of Doucheland will not actually make anyone feel pity, it would rid this country of people like you and that should make the local society a lot better.

    I’m in no way taking any sides when it comes to locals and foreigners. All are humans, there are good ones and bad ones on both sides. The govt is good, not perfect but hey, they DID bring Singapore to what it is today and we should be thankful. Sometimes even ministers make mistakes, as all humans do. But think about this : If YOU could do it better, you’d be up there right now, not here talking about it. Walk a mile in someone’s shoes and you will know how he feels. If you haven’t had the burden of governing an island city state like Singapore, you will NEVER know how it is. You Gilbert couldn’t handle your stint in NSP either, and you’re talking about what the govt should be doing? Should infants be teaching adults how to walk? As a man, I cannot rightly say I know how it feels to have an entire country relying on me to make the right decisions for them; and i might never know how it feels. But I have lead people. People who relied on me to make the right decisions that will affect them. And its not easy. You, Gilbert Goh might have had a good enough education. But books don’t teach you life lessons. When the going got tough, you got bitter/resentful/hateful. You never looked inward to see if the fault lied with you. You did what every immature child does. Cried and started blaming everything else. You looked outward to see who to blame. And perhaps the unfortunate thing was that the capable person who replaced you, just so happens to be a foreigner. Your mentality has inflated your ego to such a point that you can see no fault of your own. I have made many, many mistakes in life. And I am man enough to admit it to others and myself. You are not ready to do that. If a child falls down while running despite his parents warning him not to run, its not anyone’s fault but the child’s own if he fails to listen and eventually falls. Its not right for the parents to restrain the child. Nor is it right for the parents to blame the ground for being hard. The child cries (a bit like you and your friends), thinking/feeling that the ground is to blame for being hard. He wants to blame the parents for not preventing his fall (again like you and your friends) and all the parents can do is to molly coddle him just so he’d stop making a scene and attracting (in your case, international) attention from others. But once he no longer feels the pain of the fall, he goes right back to running around again, till his next fall. And the cycle continues. 2 things will never change : the ground (foreigners) will always be hard and the parents (govt) will never be able to physically restrain (spoonfeed) the child (you, gilbert). If the child does not learn to listen and stop his running around (complaining/blaming) and behave (work hard/upgrade skills), then all he will achieve is to make the parents look bad and eventually suffer a fall so serious he might not recover from it fully.
    The point is, STOP complaining and blaming foreigners for taking away your jobs. If they got your job, it means they proved themselves a more valuable asset to the company then you. Instead of being bitter to them, take it as a sign that you need to look more valuable as well. Complaining just makes you look like a child. Grow up Gilbert and don’t let your inflated ego affect your life and other people.

    “Everyone will make mistakes and have hardships in life. A strong person will admit to his mistakes and rise above any hardships. A weak one will blame others for his mistakes and lament about his sufferings.”

    After everything I’ve said if you realize that you are weak, its not too late to turn your life around Gilbert. I’ll be happy if you realize it. If not, then you’re really beyond help. You’re doing a good thing, helping people get jobs. But do it without the bigotry. Drop your anti-foreigner stance and make transition.org purely a help site, not a site for your hate mongering and you will be hailed as a good person; a hero, even by me. But continue with your immature, egoistic ways and eventually you’ll be nothing more then a embittered hate-mongerer, who believes himself to be blameless and thinks he deserves more then the effort he put in. And you will be enemy number 1 to many who are working hard and getting hated just because of your immaturity. And of course I will do everything in my power to eradicate your idea and all that you stand for. Bigotry, delusion of self-importance, vanity, laziness. The list could go on but I’ve written long enough. I just hope you see yourself in the correct way now. Good luck, I will be waiting to see if you mature up or not. Otherwise, Gilbert, I will counter your anti-foreigner petition with a petition of my own. Then we’ll see what the majority of the population and the world thinks of your ideas.

    Reply

    • David says:

      No Hiring Manager/HR/Employer will be in their state of mind to openly tell some true stories about discrimination which maybe happening in Singapore.

      As a ex-HR practitioner, I can share with you some real stories cause by Foreigner that is affecting Singaporean.

      To attract potential candidates such as Foreigner to join the organization, some organization will provide attractive salary package such as free accommodation & foods.

      However some black sheep Foreigners who are willing to have a very low salary or even a paid cut just because there is no national minimum wage acts & to secure the position thinking that they can have more saving from salary to sent back to home.

      If this does not work out due to their miscalculation of accepted salary, they will just job hop once they secure another new job.

      So how do this affected Singaporean?

      Since there is no national minimum wage acts in Singapore, organization will base on market rate to pay their employee which is created under a false statistics.

      So statistics shown that low salary is the market rate for these positions.

      Can you tell me which Singaporean want to take up these position for low salary when the living cost is very high because they needs to pay for their own accommodation, foods & etc?

      Irregardless whether HR have highlight this issue to their main HQ in other county, how to convince the top management to pay higher salary for these position (apart from adding more work load or/and responsibility role) when market rate salary in national statistics for these positions are so low?

  18. Gilbert Goh says:

    Dear All,

    Thanks all for your comments.

    Like I have mentioned before, I will moderate lightly so that we can get a real picture on the frustrations of both the native population and foreigners.

    Nevertheless, I will ask both sides to tone down so that we can have a more civil exchange here.

    By calling each other names, we are none the wiser and the problem still remains.

    I feel that the whole problem lies with an ineffective immigration policy that still needs alot of fixing.

    Put it bluntly, our government has allowed in too many foreigners and now they are trying to make amends.

    Many PRs who want to be citizens could not and I heard that even PRs are hard to get nowadays.

    I can only urge our government to fix the problem they have started in the first place as its getting quite serious now.

    Do we want to see a brawl occurring between citizens and foreigners before they take action?

    Gilbert Goh

  19. For Real of Not? says:

    There are many questions that someone did not answer directly.

    1. Before the age of 21, a PR who has been living in Singapore, will be asked by the Singapore government to renounce his citizenship in his home country. This is because Singapore does not allow dual citizenship.

    2. After renouncing citizenship and confirmation by the Embassy, the applicant will be issued the Pink ic

    3. He has to formalized the receipt of citizenship by attending the Oath of Allegiance ceremony.

    - What age was he, when he first entered NS?
    - If he was near 21, was the formal request for renunciation of foreign citizenship forwarded by the Government?
    - If he was asked to remounce, did he? If not, why?

    Based on the timing of events, he was already 21 when he entered NS. If he did not renounce his foreign citizenship prior to entering NS, NO AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS DURING NS WOULD HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINED…SIMPLY BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT ALLOW 2 CITIZENSHIPS FOR OUR PRs.

    By refusing to renounce foreign citizenship, you are already telling the government you have no interest to be a citizen at this point and want to get it based on your own merit when you work.

    Makes you wonder what type of awareness is being inculcated here, when the responses are so obtuse that deflects from the main points and does not directly answers questions.

  20. Naturalized says:

    If the situation was reversed, and Chillax was a foreigner in an Ang Moh country, he would be called a chink or banana, or worse. And rightly so, as he has proven to be a myopic, close-minded retard. Just remember, before Singapore was an independent state, the Chinese local were referred to as ‘coolies’ (just google it if you don’t know its meaning) by the Ang Mohs. I am a Chinese, and a naturalized overseas, so I have been called various names, but I think Ang Mohs are more tolerant than some of these locals.

    Another thing, why is Gilbert, who lives in Australia blogging about the Singaporeans and trying to create awareness. He should be trying to integrate in Australia, and be more interested in the Australian culture. So, the fact that Singaporeans overseas do not integrate locally shows that they are just a bunch of hypocrites (I Luv this word and I just wanted to use it). Practice what you preach. (I am not picking on you Gilbert, I just wanted to show a case in point.)

    There is a Chinese saying, that if you do bad to me, I will return the favor 10x what you did to me. I think that is the current path that we are heading in, so I think it won’t be long before everyone here is dragged down to hell. (I have lived long enough so you can insult me all you want, words don’t really hurt me…)

    • Ice says:

      Hi Naturalized,

      I am not sure what makes you think that just because Gilbert is blogging about Singapore and Singaporean means that he is not integrating into Australia Culture…

  21. Gilbert Goh says:

    Hi Naturalized

    Thanks for your comment.

    I am not staying in Sydney but my family is so I am here as a visitor only.

    I took three months out of a year to visit them.

    My country is Singapore and so is my heart.

    My work is also among jobless Singaporeans and I will never leave my own country even though frankly speaking the lifestyle is better elsewhere.

    In fact, my yearly venture abroad has open my eyes to the plight of migrants and has in fact helps me empathsize more with foreigners living among us.

    I must emphasize again though that Singaporeans are already quite nice to our foreigner friends living in our midst.

    Its also amazing to see so many foreigners looking down on locals in our own country and shockingly so when our government seems to be siding more with the foreigners!

    This will never happen anywhere in the world.

    Gilbert Goh

    • Naturalized says:

      Look at the situation carefully, most SMEs hire foreigners to work for them.
      It is easy to blame this foreigners, as they are the front line person, but did you
      realize that most of these SMEs are owned by Singaporeans? I would make the
      same decisions and hire foreigners, given the economic circumstance. As
      SME owner, a foreign worker would less likely know about his or her rights and
      are able to work more hours and less paid. This brings in higher profit for my
      business. So, who is selling out the jobs to foreigners?

      Read widely even differing viewpoints even if it means going outside your
      comfort zone. CJS’s new book gives an important account of how the FTA signed
      by the Singapore govt, which supposed to bring jobs to locals, ended up benefit
      those in power and foreign workers. So who is selling out these jobs to foreigners?

      So blame is a natural instinct, but accountability is much better.

  22. For Real of Not? says:

    Please know that its an easy business to trace IP by MHA.

    As an immigrant it’s important to know what are the laws of the country you live in. Ignorance is not bliss in Singapore.

    Immigrants have been known to be repatriated back to their home countries for being labelled an ‘undesirable immigrant’ by the ICA and other government organs. Most recent case are comments made by foreign bloggers on Singaporeans online.

    [QUOTE]Immigration Act of Singapore (Section 8 Clause 3)

    Prohibited immigrants

    (iii) by reason of the circumstances connected with that conviction is deemed by the Controller to be an undesirable immigrant;

    [/QUOTE]

    The most famous case of ‘undesired immigrant’ was Captain Ryan Goh for his role in the SIA Union debacle, when he was repatriated to Australia.

  23. Koh says:

    Hi Simon,

    I am a Singaporean who believes in a Singapore for Singaporeans. Having said that, I find it unconscionable that my government does not award you citizenship after serving NS. If you have gone through the same nonsense that both myself and many other Singaporean males have gone through for two / two-and-a-half years of their life, in service to the country, you are one of us regardless of what other people say.

    If Singaporeans can accept Chen Show Mao as one of our own, we can and should accept you, even if you may hold different opinions about Singapore from me, or even the rest of the people here on this website. I’m sorry to hear that my government and my fellow Singaporeans have treated you this way. If you ever need any kind of help, do reach out to Gilbert and ask him for my email (hi Gilbert I’m consenting to you giving Simon my email address) – I’m working in the new media industry, and I would be happy to help a (supposed to be) fellow Singaporean.

    • Simon says:

      Hi Koh, thanks a lot. I just really hope you know that the things I say are not directed to people like you who are willing to accept me after I’ve done everything locals have done. I will get in touch with Gilbert soon to contact you. Take care.

  24. For Real of Not? says:

    1. Singaporeans outraged over PRC Scholar’s ‘dog’ comment online and faces disciplinary actions from NUS:

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/poreans-outraged-over-prc-scholar-dog-072146916.html
    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-scholar-sun-xu-faces-nus-disciplinary-board.html

    2. Police report made against Guy who lambasts
    Singaporeans on Youtube and returns to home country!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrLrOdBAUgU

    3. The National ‘Curry’ Saga

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFA2qZ2LLE0

    4. Filipina PR insults Singaporeans by calling them ‘moronic’ and ‘incompetent’ on MP’s Facebook page

    http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/what_bugs_me/724888/moronic_incompetent_and_cowardly_foreigner_insults_sporeans.html

  25. dolphin81 says:

    Hi guys, please keep a cool mind.

    The problem is not the individual foreigner, it is the collective PAP policy.

    In Simon’s case, he is probably confused as to whether he is on the local or foreigner side.

    It is good he has found a job but unless this insane immigration policy is truly moderated, Simon may soon be displaced & join the ranks of immigrant-haters.

  26. Chillax says:

    What a bloody waste of time to argue with some leech. what level are you talking about Mr Diploma, you are not even close. Whether its wealth, culture, education, women.

    People like you make life tougher for Singaporean but i know the real culprit is our policies and our short sighted government. you, like i say is just a leech that flows with the water. Elect a Pro Singaporean government and you will be taken care of.

  27. Reto says:

    All are racist. Deal with it. That’s how Singapore is. It will always be

    • jj@39 says:

      Racism can be found in many parts of the world. In S’pore, racism is not serious at all.

      You go travel to a few more countries and stay & observe then you will know whether S’pore has serious racism issue or not?

      Actually no need to travel to a few more countries and stay & observe, you can also get to know the racism or ethnic cleansing issues in Asia, Middle East, Afrcia thru news reports.

      We don’t dislike Simon bcoz he is a foreigner or he is a Burmese but bcoz the way he behaves, the way he replies. Horrible & terrible.

  28. Sg_overseas says:

    Here is simple simon , he wants to a sg but he wants
    Those sg who disagree with him to get the fuxk out Of
    Sg because in his opiniOn they are retarded like down
    Syndromed ppl

    http://www.transitioning.org/2011/01/23/ex-nus-graduate-im-a-failed-product-of-our-meritocratic-educational-system/#comment-1584113

  29. Or says:

    Simon says:
    August 13, 2012 at 1:56 am
    Dear Gilbert Goh,

    First of all, let me start off in a positive way. You have a little talent in manipulating people to think your way. I saw your speech during your stint as an NSP member. Way to go with the story of “Mark”. If he even exists. Really? Mark, a diploma holder, was earning $7k before he was replaced by a foreigner? In what economic climate doea a DIPLOMA holder earn $7k at any point in his life? Am I missing something here? A fabricated story perhaps, to rile the (jobless) masses up? Let me put your whole “Singapore for Singaporeans/Singaporeans First/Support Local Talent” idea into another perspective. You did get quite a number of supporters and fans for your idea, but lets face it. If you put 50 children with Down’s syndrome in a room, there’s going to be a lot of hugging. Nothing against these kids but what I’m trying to imply is that these “special” kids are going to love each other. Same thing for all those who support you. By that I mean the portion of the population who as some of the readers here so justly described as thinking that the govt/society owes them a living just for being born here; not wanting to work hard a single day of their lives and expect everything to be the stuff of fairy tales. When they realise that out there is the cold, cruel world (I’d like to think of it as competitive/realistic world) they start to question why the govt is not holding a silver spoon to their mouths when in reality what the govt is SUPPOSED to do (and is actually doing) is to lay out the goodies evenly to allow each individual to partake of the success as how their abilities and perserverance allows. I believe that individual struggle and eventual accomplishments is what seperates people into lazy and hardworking. And from the ideas you are extolling, its obvious which group you belong to. You and your supporters would gladly sit idly by, blaming everyone/everything else but yourselves for not achieving the same success others are working hard to get.

    All your talk about upgrading skills, your helplines for educated people (locals) who are out of jobs amount to NOTHING if you don’t teach them humility. Many HR Managers have openly spoken (on radio I believe) that they DO want to hire locals. However its not easy when locals are demanding more simply because they are locally born and educated. The world is globalizing. Its a fact you have to face and if you’re not prepared for it, I’d suggest you and your therapy buddies can pool your resources together, buy yourselves an island somewhere, develop it all by yourselves and you can be Emperor Douchebag The First. Set down laws with zero entry to foreigners. Of course it might be pretty tough. The people following you there are jobless for a reason. Its not because they have no qualifications. Its because they have decent qualification and too much pride. Everyone is going to want to be highly paid and highly regarded. However, your hardships while developing your island country of Doucheland will not actually make anyone feel pity, it would rid this country of people like you and that should make the local society a lot better.

    I’m in no way taking any sides when it comes to locals and foreigners. All are humans, there are good ones and bad ones on both sides. The govt is good, not perfect but hey, they DID bring Singapore to what it is today and we should be thankful. Sometimes even ministers make mistakes, as all humans do. But think about this : If YOU could do it better, you’d be up there right now, not here talking about it. Walk a mile in someone’s shoes and you will know how he feels. If you haven’t had the burden of governing an island city state like Singapore, you will NEVER know how it is. You Gilbert couldn’t handle your stint in NSP either, and you’re talking about what the govt should be doing? Should infants be teaching adults how to walk? As a man, I cannot rightly say I know how it feels to have an entire country relying on me to make the right decisions for them; and i might never know how it feels. But I have lead people. People who relied on me to make the right decisions that will affect them. And its not easy. You, Gilbert Goh might have had a good enough education. But books don’t teach you life lessons. When the going got tough, you got bitter/resentful/hateful. You never looked inward to see if the fault lied with you. You did what every immature child does. Cried and started blaming everything else. You looked outward to see who to blame. And perhaps the unfortunate thing was that the capable person who replaced you, just so happens to be a foreigner. Your mentality has inflated your ego to such a point that you can see no fault of your own. I have made many, many mistakes in life. And I am man enough to admit it to others and myself. You are not ready to do that. If a child falls down while running despite his parents warning him not to run, its not anyone’s fault but the child’s own if he fails to listen and eventually falls. Its not right for the parents to restrain the child. Nor is it right for the parents to blame the ground for being hard. The child cries (a bit like you and your friends), thinking/feeling that the ground is to blame for being hard. He wants to blame the parents for not preventing his fall (again like you and your friends) and all the parents can do is to molly coddle him just so he’d stop making a scene and attracting (in your case, international) attention from others. But once he no longer feels the pain of the fall, he goes right back to running around again, till his next fall. And the cycle continues. 2 things will never change : the ground (foreigners) will always be hard and the parents (govt) will never be able to physically restrain (spoonfeed) the child (you, gilbert). If the child does not learn to listen and stop his running around (complaining/blaming) and behave (work hard/upgrade skills), then all he will achieve is to make the parents look bad and eventually suffer a fall so serious he might not recover from it fully.
    The point is, STOP complaining and blaming foreigners for taking away your jobs. If they got your job, it means they proved themselves a more valuable asset to the company then you. Instead of being bitter to them, take it as a sign that you need to look more valuable as well. Complaining just makes you look like a child. Grow up Gilbert and don’t let your inflated ego affect your life and other people.

    “Everyone will make mistakes and have hardships in life. A strong person will admit to his mistakes and rise above any hardships. A weak one will blame others for his mistakes and lament about his sufferings.”

    After everything I’ve said if you realize that you are weak, its not too late to turn your life around Gilbert. I’ll be happy if you realize it. If not, then you’re really beyond help. You’re doing a good thing, helping people get jobs. But do it without the bigotry. Drop your anti-foreigner stance and make transition.org purely a help site, not a site for your hate mongering and you will be hailed as a good person; a hero, even by me. But continue with your immature, egoistic ways and eventually you’ll be nothing more then a embittered hate-mongerer, who believes himself to be blameless and thinks he deserves more then the effort he put in. And you will be enemy number 1 to many who are working hard and getting hated just because of your immaturity. And of course I will do everything in my power to eradicate your idea and all that you stand for. Bigotry, delusion of self-importance, vanity, laziness. The list could go on but I’ve written long enough. I just hope you see yourself in the correct way now. Good luck, I will be waiting to see if you mature up or not. Otherwise, Gilbert, I will counter your anti-foreigner petition with a petition of my own. Then we’ll see what the majority of the population and the world thinks of your ideas.

    Reply

  30. Simpleton says:

    SIMPLE SIMON

    Simple Simon met a pieman going to the fair;
    Said Simple Simon to the pieman “Let me taste your ware”
    Said the pieman to Simple Simon “Show me first your penny”
    Said Simple Simon to the pieman “Sir, I have not any!”

    Simple Simon went a-fishing for to catch a whale;
    All the water he had got was in his mother’s pail.
    Simple Simon went to look if plums grew on a thistle;
    He pricked his fingers very much which made poor Simon whistle.
    He went for water in a sieve but soon it all fell through;
    And now poor Simple Simon bids you all “Adieu”

  31. Salt says:

    Simple Simon thinks he has taken more salt than those Sg
    Born before 1959, have taken rice !
    On the above cOmment !

    Hahaha !

    Trying to teach his father, children cannot talk so must
    Listen to adults

    When this pee brain becomes a father, he better hope
    His child can talk ! And not born down syndrome or
    Mute !

    Cambodians are respectable but this cock is full Of shit
    And he cant even write Singlish, but wants to be
    A Sg, if he likes to insult sg, he should go back to
    Cambodia, or other SE Asian countries where English
    Is spoken as it is !
    No apologies needed for any bad English for any posts from
    Anybody regardless of..,but if one dick claims his English
    Is excellent, he still made a lot of mistakes
    Who ? My english , FULL OF SHIT LIKE U ! Hahaha
    Claims h

  32. Duck says:

    Dear Gilbert

    This is crazy. I just want you to know I am with you and I will support you in anyway I could. I wouldn’t even want to actually think of naturalized . It’s very shocking when he said this..
    There is a Chinese saying, that if you do bad to me, I will return the favor 10x what you did to me. Actually I will never even think of doing bad to anyone even they done bad. As for Simon, I respect some of his concerns but there is still way for him to go. We knew there is something not right here in our country , needless to elaborate further. :(

  33. Salt says:

    Myanmar (Burma) or
    Cambodia, just about having similar
    Culture

    Aung San Suu Kyi is a Nobel Prize Winner and
    Won Many world peace awards
    Very respectable and humble
    At least she is now a MP

    Simple SimOn says he wished that Sg who does
    Not agree with having massive foreigners in Sg
    Should leave and find their own land.
    Perhaps , we should consider Burma as an alternative,
    And build our small community there

  34. Osg says:

    Quote

    Most locals proudly recite the pledge when they have to but many are not carrying out what they pledge. Let me quote one part of the pledge “Regardless of RACE, LANGUAGE OR RELIGION” and “Based on justice and EQUALITY”. I don’t really see much of that happening right now.
    Unquote

    These Phrases in the pledge is meant to be
    For CITIZENS, does Other countries including
    Burma say their pledges to protect foreigners

    This asshxle wants to be a member of parliament
    But he cannot integrate Sg

    http://www.transitioning.org/2011/01/23/ex-nus-graduate-im-a-failed-product-of-our-meritocratic-educational-system/#comment-1584113

    So i am convince he can join the ranks of cabinet
    Ministers ! He does know of what happen to
    Political opponents then!
    Perhaps, the govt has not yet discovered him yet,
    And using this website as his chance !

  35. Local says:

    Quote

    Transitioning: What do you think the country should do to better integrate foreigners into the society?

    Simon: While many foreigners are doing their best to integrate into local society, it seems to be a one sided relationship so to speak.

    Many foreigners have the skills necessary to be gainfully employed and a good number of them speak acceptable English (keep in mind, most locals speak SINGLISH so they’re really not in a position to criticise others’ language skills either).

    Unquote

    Please provide the research study that many foreigners
    Want to integrate
    Dont bother about the foreigners
    U HAVE BEEN IN SG FOR 15 YEARS AND I CANNOT SPEAK
    SINGLISH OR REFUSE TO.
    ON TOP OF THAT , u insult Sg who speak or write singlish
    please dont be a jerk,
    R u pretending not to know that sg deliberately speak or
    Write in an informat context
    And if those who r not “highly educated as u”, they are
    Not allowed not post their broken english or singlish on de
    Internet, only ur parents can do it im burmese or
    U say ur parents’ command of english as very good.
    UR IDEAS ARE OF DOWN SYNDROMED MENTALITY
    AS DS USED BY U

    http://www.transitioning.org/2011/01/23/ex-nus-graduate-im-a-failed-product-of-our-meritocratic-educational-system/#comment-1584113

    Nobody is stopping foreigners from speaking
    Tagalog or chinese but in a working environment,
    English should be spoken
    So u think u speak n write good engl
    So u insult ur colleagues for not able to write or speak
    ENOUGH OF UR BULLSHIT!

  36. Local says:

    Quote

    Transitioning: What do you think the country should do to better integrate foreigners into the society?

    Simon: While many foreigners are doing their best to integrate into local society, it seems to be a one sided relationship so to speak.

    Many foreigners have the skills necessary to be gainfully employed and a good number of them speak acceptable English (keep in mind, most locals speak SINGLISH so they’re really not in a position to criticise others’ language skills either).

    Unquote

    Please provide the research study that many foreigners
    Want to integrate
    Dont bother about the foreigners
    U HAVE BEEN IN SG FOR 15 YEARS AND I CANNOT SPEAK
    SINGLISH OR REFUSE TO.
    ON TOP OF THAT , u insult Sg who speak or write singlish
    please dont be a jerk,
    R u pretending not to know that sg deliberately speak or
    Write in an informat context
    And if those who r not “highly educated as u”, they are
    Not allowed not post their broken english or singlish on de
    Internet, only ur parents can do it im burmese or
    U say ur parents’ command of english as very good.
    UR IDEAS ARE OF DOWN SYNDROMED MENTALITY
    AS DS USED BY U

    http://www.transitioning.org/2011/01/23/ex-nus-graduate-im-a-failed-product-of-our-meritocratic-educational-system/#comment-1584113

    Nobody is stopping foreigners from speaking
    Tagalog or chinese but in a working environment,
    English should be spoken
    So u think u speak n write good english?
    So u insult ur colleagues for not able to write or speak
    ENOUGH OF UR BULLSHIT! 15 years in Sg
    N cannot tolerate singlish after NS !
    HAHAHAHAHA

  37. SEXYLADY says:

    Please WE Singaporeans have xenophobic sentiments that is because we know our life has changed drastically because of the presence of foreigners competing with us in every ways. Just accept the fact that it is not fated to be a singaporean.

    • Simon says:

      Just accept the fact that life is full of challenges and changes and many are NOT prepared to struggle for it. Its not only the foreigners competing with you. Even locals also can take away the jobs that were meant for you. What will happen then? Blame each other? You say the problems start with FTs. I’d like to see how much improvement there will be without any FTs around. Will still be the same. Only difference is you’d be at each other’s throats. And like someone told me before. Many here want to blame the govt for bringing FTs in. But most just target their hatred at FTs because 1) They do not really dare to openly go against the govt, 2) Most FTs are meek and don’t stand up to bullying so they won’t retaliate (this is one of the reasons why many here are so outraged that I do it. They’re not used to us fighting for ourselves.) So at the end of the day, many of them (not all) are just simple bullies who can’t get what they want from their parents and so start to pick on the other kids. Simple equation.

  38. jj@39 says:

    Back in the past, when S’pore was part of Malaya & Malaysia, there were already records of different races & foreigners from different nations living in S’pore. Locals already have experience to co-exist & compete with foreigners/outsiders at the same time to make a living. When a local went to find a job or decided to start a biz, he/she of course will be competing with other locals and sometimes competing with foreigners too. It’s rare that a job vacancy or a biz only manage to attract one person to do it. Unless it’s either a very new thing or not worth the trouble or too risky to go for it or other reasons.

    How sure are you that with foreigners around then only S’pore will have improvements? With or without foreigners, S’pore had already survived for quite some time. I don’t really agreed that most foreigners are meek and don’t stand up to bullying so they won’t retaliate. Crimes reported in news which are committed by foreigners are on the rise. How about those that have not been reported? There are protests & strikes from foreigners happening in factories that are not published in the news. Foreign embassy, MOM, police & ICA had to step in to solve the conflicts.

    S’poreans daren’t openly go against the govt is mainly due to dictatorship reason. But things are a bit different now. PAP is consider lucky only losing one GRC to WP.

    Whether your application for citizenship is approve/disapprove by ICA is subject to ICA merits system. We don’t have that kind of power to influence ICA.

    Surely you have checked with ICA the reasons why they rejected your citizenship application right? Did they tell you why your application was rejected? How many times have you applied? 2, 3, 4times? Did not apply again or all have failed? I know some PR or S’pore citizens who married foreigners went to seek help from MP on PR or citizenship matters? Did you go to see your MP? Did not or the ICA rejected you again?

    Life is full of challenges and changes, are you prepare to accept the challenges and changes to live here? Have you managed to find a permanent fulltime job since ORD? If not, is it bcoz you aren’t a citizen?

    Perhaps one day, you will also feel frustration with foreigners after you have manage to convert to citizenship. Who knows?

  39. jj@39 says:

    About 6-7 years ago, IBM had a mfg plant in Kaki Bukit area. When the mgmt decided to cut down OT due to poor demand. The PRC workers staged a protest & were on strike. They were told to work 12hr/day inclusive of OT during the recruitment in PRC. With the reduce of OT, they will earn less. The production lines were shutdown.

    The worker leaders went to complain to PRC embassy after fruitless negotiation by both parties. But as the decision was make without going against any MOM regulation. There is nothing the PRC embassy officer could do about it.

    The working permits of worker leaders were cancelled & send packing home even after the PRC embassy officer had pleaded for them to stay. The rest of the workers ended the strike with each receiving a fine of $50 or $100 from the IBM mgmt.

    All these are not published in the news to avoid causing any damages to IBM & S’pore reputation.

  40. BB says:

    @Simon,

    Just pack up and leave. My country do not need u

  41. thisislatebut... says:

    Hey man, i think you need to chill out. You’re still so young and if you go around with such an angry attitude all the time, you’re gonna hurt yourself. And if you take offence to this, it only serves to prove my point. I’m not siding anyone here. I am merely saying that even though it is wrong for some singaporeans to insult you (or other foreigners) for no reason, perhaps you would feel better if you learnt to brush it off.

  42. sal says:

    What’s the difference between a citizen and a permanent resident? I don’t mind to be a PR in another country cause you have the same benefits as a citizen except voting rights. As long you never do any major crimes…the gov can’t.deport u.

  43. jj@39 says:

    is there any duration period for PR?

  44. amarantha says:

    I see why Singaporeans don’t get the jobs just based on reading a few comments here. I am a foreigner & i would rather dive in mud chasing after pig shit in a thirld-world country than work/live in your sad little island.

    Simon, better bail out now before they get hold of you with a pathetic excuse of a citizenship. Singapore will soon be extinct anyways.

  45. Godd says:

    Please tell that to the people who are running Singapore. They are the Pappies. Start by telling the Cabinet Ministers.
    Hahahaha

    I have lived in many western countries as well as a rich country like Philippines ( yes, they have land, so they are rich).
    When I am in the forest, I respect the forest !
    Fortunately out of the 2 million foreigners in Singapore, most do respect Singapore.

    The Sg citizens generally are not against respectable foreigners but They are against massive influx of 2 million foreigners against 3 million citizens.
    The Sg citizens should blame it on the govt immigration policy. The foreigners will say why have you voted them in. The last election saw 40% against even though they have not much political government experience. The ruling govt has its agenda to turn foreigners to new citizens and believe that majority of new citizens will give them their votes.
    I know Sg history since 1959 self govt rule but foreigners have little knowledge about ISA, nip in the butt, law suits against political opposition; similar to how little I know about President Marcos martial law to rule Philippines for decades .
    The point is Sg citizens should show their resentment against the immigration policy and not on the foreigners or even the employers hiring the foreigners. I know Sg citizens can’t wait till election 2016. What if it is not a fair election? Then what?
    The only way now is for the foreigners to replace the 60% Sg citizens who voted the ruling PAP in the last election. Since the govt will continue to let the foreigners in,

    For the remaining 40% Sg citizens, if you cannot survive in Sg, you have to be resourceful, if you think Filipinos are invading sg, you do the reverse, as I am invading Philippines, etc for the other ASEAN, China, India.

    Visit tremeritus.com and you see the posts are blaming the ruling Pappies immigration policy more than foreigners.

  46. Sal says:

    Spore is a city, where migrants come and work…earn money, either migrate to better city or retire in their homeland.

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