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Friday May 24th 2013

Thinking of migrating to Australia? Read on…

 

Since I landed in Sydney about five days ago via a Scoot flight, I have been bombarded  with emails asking me about migration to down under.

Some friends have even checked with me personally days before my flight and I dare say I can even  start a thriving migration business here!

Most who enquire on migration also cites that they prefer the work life balance here than back home in money-crazy Singapore…for them its just too shallow to always work and think about making more money for the rest of their life.

Some are even satisfied to work in a factory here than being a work-crazy executive back home!

There are just too many enquiries to answer personally so  I decided to pen a short article on the migration situation here.

However, I am no migration expert so I must add a caveat here that if you need expert opinion,  you should speak to the Australian embassy in Singapore or a professional migrant agent.

I must also state for the record  that its now easier   to marry an Aussie citizen and apply for PR status  as a spouse applicant than go by the long and winding route of applying for the coveted difficult-to-get  457 skilled work visa or PR status.

I have met up with a Singaporean friend here last year during my bi-annual trip and he has decided to marry a Malaysia-born Australian citizen  whom he knew for a few years on and off.

Long sick of the system back home and enjoying every moment of his stay in Sydney, I do not blame him for his decision.

“What can I do in Singapore?” he asked when we sipped free hot coffee last year at Rhodes Ikea.

It was one of our many long chats we had together as he was on a visitor visa still and thus could not work.

Before his venture in Sydney, he has worked in our NLB library for four years earning a paltry $4 an hour despite having a engineering diploma.

He applied for many jobs but not many  employers have called him up for an interview and even if they did it was always  negative.

He is only 36 years old but look younger than his age though  on the chubby side.

“I don’t have many options back home, Gilbert,” he told me in dismal resignation. “Migration is one of the best way for me to start something afresh for myself.”

His estrangled distant relationship with his family  is also one major push factor for him to venture abroad – with both eyes open as he knows that getting a job will be difficult for foreigners.

Many Singaporeans have return home after experiencing prolonged unemployment for a long time or staying under employed indefinitely as most senior positions will go to the local Aussies no matter how experienced or  capable you are.

Those who long to migrate must be clear in their mind that their career will have to take a back seat as most local companies will only place their own people in senior management positions – however good the foreign executives can be.

But is marrying someone the best way to do this? I asked my friend.

“Well, if we love each other – what is stopping us from pursuing our dream?” His dream is to emigrate to Sydney whereas his girlfriend probably wants to get a husband.

I figure that my Singaporean friend is counting his blessing now after marrying his Aussie Chinese bride as if not he will still be  slaving  away in our icy cold library earning a miserable  $4 an hour stacking up books.

He figures that if he stays behind in Singapore, he can’t even buy a BTO HDB flat or marry a local girl as his salary is just too low even for himself to survive let alone starts a family of his own.

However, I always feel that emigration is not for everyone. I have heard of some friends who returned to Singapore after staying abroad for a while.

The ultra slow-pace lifestyle,  racism and loneliness are but some of the factors that deter many Singaporeans from hanging on in a foreign land. You  often don’t feel belonged as this is not your country and feelings of being second-class citizens are too  common.

The Aussie government has also recently clamped down on foreign talents and work visa for this year alone has a quota of less than 80, 000.  They used to be in the mid 100, 000 range but due to severe voters’ protest at the polls, the number has been dwindling steadily since.

This figure also includes those who come in as refugees using either the Sri Lanka sea-vessel way or simply fly in as a tourist and apply for refugee status through the embassy.

Unfortunately, Singapore does not consititutes as a war-torn refugee country yet.

Sydney

Unless you are already staying here and studying, chances are the elusive visa will slip you by.

Graduates of local Aussie universities also have a one-year window period to look for jobs  immediately after graduation  but I heard its really tough as fresh graduates are inexperienced and thus not in demand.

Some fresh foreign graduates I heard have even touted themselves as non-salaried interns in the bid to try and  get into the companies here to chalk up valuable work experience.

But, more importantly, they hope that the companies will apply for them the 457 skilled visa which will usually last for   four years – they can then later apply for PR after working for a minimum of two years here.

In Australia, companies have to provide proof that they have advertised and interviewed a reasonable number of local Aussies before they can apply for foreign talent to come in and work so the skilled 457 work visa is really tough to get  even if  employers want  to  apply for you  in the first place.

It is so different from our system of mass work permit application for foreign workers to come in by the thousands without any proper check and control system. This system needs to be tweaked so that we only bring in foreigners who have skills that we do not possess.

Currently, our foreign talents  perform tasks that local Singaporeans can do e.g. receptionists, human resource managers, tele-marketing executives among others. They are competing with us for jobs and not really providing skill sets  that we do not have.

I don’t see the point of bringing in MNCs who continue to hire predominantly foreign workers – they probably only fatten their own corporate accounts and  local Singaporeans don’t benefit at all  from their  business relocation .

Back to the Aussie visa application, I have heard of some fortunate Singaporeans  getting the coveted 457  skilled work visa when they apply for it back in Singapore – especially if they are in niche skills such as engineering, medical and nursing.

A friend whose PRC wife is a nurse managed to get a work visa within 2 months and her PR within 6 months upon arrival. Her husband is however less fortunate and has to make do with a factory job despite being a graduate and doing relatively well in Singapore prior to his departure to  down under.

His nursing wife’s   pay fortunately  doubled once she signed on the contract and  she is now enjoying a better lifestyle compared to  back home when she is  slaving away in our public hospitals.

For those who are younger and serious about working in Australia long-term, the best option is to get a nursing diploma or degree, work in our local system for 2-3 years and then apply through a employment agent who will do all the necessary paper work for you.

Australia is in serious shortage of experienced nursing and medical staff so if you are keen on working abroad, this is the best  option available  for you.

Another viable option is to look for work in the mines in Western Australia.

Again, the relevant skill sets and qualification apply -  how many Singaporeans have this niche  mining work experience and engineering qualification?

A fresh geological engineer  can expect to start at  A$100,000 per annum before tax  but the work condition is harsh.

Mine engineers are expected to work and stay in the mining quarters and they work on a 2-week shift system to facilitate efficient work flow.

Australia probably has one of the best work life balance system in the world. People hardly over work here compared to slavery-like Singapore whereby  employers treat their workers like digits.

Workers are protected by their respective unions and there is an efficient independent Ombudsman to look into the interests of workers if there is a work dispute.

Shops all close by 6 pm except for Thursday – the only day that they stay open till 9 pm.

Most stall assistants here are also local Aussies as they are all paid a minimum wage for survival reason  - debunking the myth back in Singapore that our own local people do not like to become retail assistant.

I always believe that if you pay the right wages people will work at whatever jobs you throw at them.

Most contruction workers, bus drivers, cleaners, retail assistants – jobs that are normally perform by foreign workers back home – are carried out by local Aussies here.

If Australia can why can’t we?

Written by: Gilbert Goh

 

Reader Feedback

35 Responses to “Thinking of migrating to Australia? Read on…”

  1. Johson -Australia says:

    So true, its good to take up a cert III in healthcare here to get a job. Would agree 99% with Gilbert’s spot on assessment on the above topic. Its very hard to get a good job here, you be more educated and experienced but you are not a first class citizen. Just an update, that for registered nurses which have only a dipolma are no longer able to gain entry and the OET has been ceased. You would now need a degree in nursing and IELTS band overall 8 in the general paper to gain entry. (Fairly simple for Singaporeans with practice via British Council etc)

    Alot of companies are also retrenching staff here in Melbourne thus would expect a recession next year.

  2. Ex_aust_pr says:

    Original Australians are British convicts which Britain
    Dumped in the 1700 to 1800s.
    The White Australian policy existed till 1975. White policy
    Means Australia does not generally allow non white
    To migrate to Australia.
    So their forefathers built Australia as our forefathers
    Built Singapore for us.
    If we just continue to let our ruling govt destroy
    Us by mass migration to Singapore, we would
    Lose Singapore.
    Australia protects white Australians, not recent
    Migrants.
    Our sg govt may have an agenda to replace us
    With new citizens.
    So why is it that Sg have voted them in albeit 60%
    The govt cares for its own survival, not about what
    Your forefathers have risked their lives coming to
    Singapore and suffer for your sake.
    Singapore belongs to us, why are we running away
    From our own country? Because we cannot survive,
    And we have to run away for our future family.
    With our lifetime ? Is crazy !
    I camnot imagine attracting foreign companies and 1 in 10
    Employee is a Sg ,
    Where in the world you have almost 40% foreigners in
    Their country, worse for a small country of 3 million
    Singaporeans, even this is make up of 20% born
    Overseas and new citizens.
    So our forefather 150 years of hardship and
    Our rights are taken over by foreigners.
    Those Sg will not know what’s happening until
    They lose their jobs, try voting the ruling party
    Again in 2016, I dare you!
    Signed
    Presently not in Sg or Aust.

    • Sem says:

      This is so true that we are losing Singapore as an identity. I really share the same feelings as Gilbert what is currently happening in our country. I just returned home after being based abroad for 5 years. I am a degree holder and in my early 30s and I have difficulty finding a job here. I am not sure if there is something wrong with me. Most of the jobs here are either very technical / or for fresh graduates. I been back for almost 10 months and I am sure I will abandon my country if other countries are giving me an opportunity for work. Finding a work is not really what you have. I have a lot of foreign friends here and they found their work through connections of their boyfriends and husbands- Work in same company but different departments.

      Is the government really doing nothing about the unemployed? What can we do as a Singapore Citizens?

      I hope Singapore people will connect more to each other, uograde our skills, speak good english, be more service oriented and be professional at our workplace.

  3. jj says:

    I have heard of the original Australians are British convicts which Britain dumped in the 1700 to 1800s story. I only believe part of the story but not the whole story.

    I feel that the original Australians should be the aboriginal Australians.

  4. Sg_ex_aust says:

    What is there to believe, type “history of Australia”
    In wikipedia, unless u want to go n do a PhD thesis
    Of course is the same old story of europeans colonising
    USA, Australia, Africa, SE Asia, HK, Macau when China
    Lost the opium war to europeans,
    Of course, with guns u can conquer another
    Country before when peoPle are not that civilised
    The British did not conquer but bought Singapore
    From the sultan of Johor n did not conquer the
    Aboriginal malays living in Singapore,
    In fact there were chinese living in Singapore
    Before 1819
    My ancestors were already living in Singapore
    So why is the govt trying to give away what my
    Ancestors have founded Singapore to foreigners
    Who are working simple jobs in Singapore and
    Insulting us and say that they build Singapore,
    They fucking build shit, the MRT built in 198+and Changi airport
    Was already there when I returned from UK in 1983
    How the fuck do u think Sg ppl feel,

  5. jj says:

    We are not acting in a US ganster movie. Do away with the Fxxx word will be nice.

  6. Sg_fxxk says:

    I hear the word fxxk all the time when I am in Singapore,
    I hear it from all the ang moh professionals working in all
    The high level jobs
    I meet them everyday and they use the fxxk word all the time
    I meet australian indians coming to work in singapore and he
    Uses the word 10 times in a 15 word sentence.
    I hear the word fxxk in Australia everywhere i go in Australia.
    We should be use to the word, I use the word when I was
    Living in a kampong in the 1960+ when i was in primary schOol.
    Those sg who are not use to that word fxxk , please dont
    Migrate to Aust, or USA, UK for that matter
    And stay away from the anf moh in Singapore

  7. cancuks says:

    Asian immigrants also face the same bleak employment situation in racist canada.

  8. jj says:

    Have any reports of western world immigrants or expats facing same bleak employment situation in racist asian countries?

    For me, i do encounter a lot discrimination issues in PRC even though i am a chinese. I also encounter a few discrimination issues in S’pore when working with some foreigners/PR – M’sian, PRC, Taiwanese, Amercians.

  9. marc says:

    Many people are quick to jump on the Aussie bandwagon and find it a good idea to do so. However, there are MANY factors to consider, such as culture and regulation. I study and live in Melbourne, and I actually like it after I’ve gotten use to the city and lifestyle it offers. However, I’m hesitant to work there on graduating because, yes, there is an inherent form of subtle discrimination towards Asian immigrants, especially those ‘fresh off the boat’ and cannot speak similar to the locals. Further, add in the stringent labour laws, it become very tough for a foreign graduate of the local university to attain a respectable, well-paying job in Australia. I know many Malaysian graduates who have tried to do this, and only a handful actually get in. Being a citizen or a PR matters a lot, more so for the case of fresh graduates.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Melbourne, and I’m slowly feeling like I’m a part of this wonderful county. However, do keep those points in mind, if ever any naive unread Singaporeans want to make the jump. It isn’t all hunky-dory; don’t be quick to assume that the Australians will immediately welcome you with open arms.

  10. Not Welcome says:

    Also, please note that DICA has tightened the conditions for skilled migration applications. From July 1st 2012, you can no longer apply directly for PR under the skilled category. You need to first send in an Expression of Interest which goes into a pool. DICA will then select from that pool those they deem desirable to invite into the country as PRs. Your EOI will stay in the pool for two years. If you do not get an invitation to apply for PR after that time, it gets removed from the pool.

  11. Owen says:

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    Hi gilbert, how are you!! Thank for posting my plight on the article! for your information, there are some errors like:

    1) worked for NLB for 4yrs..infact i have worked there for 5yrs 4 months.

    2) Pay SGD4 per hr. Is actually only SGD$6 per hr.

    3) Mine is not engineering diploma, is Chemical Process Technology diploma, which specialise in Polymer and Chemical. But too bad la..many manufacturing factories have gone to China…

    I remembered the last interview i went in 2009 was a position of procurement officer in one of the stat board, and they only offer 1 yr contract and is only $1300 (before CPF deduction)!..that all..
    I did negotiate with the HR and guess wht they told me. “Take it or leave it”!!

    And until they also advertise the same position again and again and i guess hardly anyone take up the offer.

    Anyway, back to the issue here for migration. Yes you are right, is NEVER easy at all, settling down in Sydney and finding a job and still, the employers prefer their own citizen first! Is matter of whether you could accept it not. So better think twice before setting the foot here..you got to know and see alot before you made the decision.

    Lastly, i am now worry if what will happen to me one day, IF my relation with my Malaysian-Aussie wife didnt able to work out. “Will i returning to sg where i don’t have anythings at all to lay back for?”…Or i just stuck in between, not there or here…Or just end my life..

    Still, nice and pleasure knowing you My dear Singaporean friend!

    Owen ANG CH

  12. Singaporeanaboard says:

    I agree with marc. Don’t assume that the Aussie will welcome you with open arms. And definitely you will not get the same kind of Support like Singapore government to the foreigner. PAP is a Pro Alien Party, but the aussie politic party are different from PAP. So do not expect red carpet treatment from the government or the people here.

  13. Owen says:

    I figure that my Singaporean friend is counting his blessing now after marrying his Aussie Chinese bride as if not he will still be slaving away in our icy cold library earning a miserable $4 an hour stacking up books.

    Gilbert, i don’t mind working in the library as it is a very nice environment to work. BUT the fuck is, Please pay a DECENT salary for the job. AS we are the “first” world nation ok! Not just a slave to be…

  14. john168 says:

    So what’s with whinging above? are Singaporeans really that soft and spoilt that they start to whinge when they are faced with just a little bit of hardship? i see vietnamese people who had arrived as boat refugees to australia 30 years ago now have succeeded as professors, professionals or restaurant owners. My friends from africa came here with the family and 3 of them have achieved PhDs here in Australia. That goes to the PRCs, malaysians and other races who had braced the difficulties and established themselves here successfully in careers and businesses. Come on, fellas, dont be that soft!

  15. Singaporeanaboard says:

    Hi Owen,

    Count it as a blessing to you ok. Me still no girl want me yet leh. Lol… After marrying your Aussie Malaysia Born Chinese Bride, you can still apply and continue to work in the icy cold library in Sydney. Lol…

  16. Sg_whiny says:

    What is whinge?
    And what is whiny?

  17. Sg_Problem says:

    I migrated to Aust in early 1990s and even though
    I graduated from UK and Australia, I faced inherent
    Obstacles. Sg have the choice not to tolerate discrimination
    And leave the country.
    Refugees from
    War torn countries do not have a choice and the
    discrimination are also from other so called Europeans
    Like ppl from the old Yugoslavia and other migrants
    and they think are higher class than Asians.
    Not to discourage Sg ppl wanting to migrate to Australia,
    But I personally think Europe offers a better future for
    Your children.
    Yes, Sg ppl like to jump on the bandwagon at the last minute,
    That is why they cannot understand what happen to Sg now,
    Not that I sm asking you to give up Sg cirizenship.
    If you want to consider your optiOns in Europe,
    Skype me at (swechua) but state who you are and
    What is it for. Othewise I may think is my other network
    Of people.
    Then only Will I accept your invitation and
    video chat with you, this is to root out scams, otherwise
    Any scams can be texting and wasting my time.
    I am with my family in UK and I am doing a postgrad
    Study here as a steppIng stone.
    If you are new to Europe, it does not mean you cannot
    Make it , but those who are more likely to make
    It are they who have studied in Europe, not to
    Say if you never lived overseas, you will not make it,
    But you may experience a lot of things which you are
    Unfamiliar, your character will decide if you can succeed!
    So hope to hear from you.

  18. Owen says:

    @john168:

    We are NOT SOFT definitely ok! But i am stressed the point is that in SG, we are unable to change the system for the better of our ordinary guys’ life and livelihood! So you think everyone wants to leave IF our home is good and comfortable?

    @Singaporeanaboard:

    I guess you are LEO in Melbourne, stop being sarcastic and talk with sense.

    Owen

    • What says:

      Ignore what people say, just believe in yourself. You don’t need advice from losers like Leo and friends etc.

  19. jj says:

    Singapore probably has one of the worst work life balance system in the world. People always over work here compared to other developed countries.

    Today i just for a interview with SMRT jobfair over at Sengkang CC. The interviewer told me the working days will be work 7 days then rest 2 days, work 7 days then rest 2 days & work 7 days then rest 3 days in a month.

    Bcoz S’pore doesn’t have minimum wage policy so exploitation of cheap labour is commonly seen here. When i was working as warehouse assistant at National Oil Varco, the indian FW sent by the job agency was only paid $18 for a 12 hour/day job. When the payday came, the job agency mgr or boss also paid them the wages. The indian FW were told wait for the mgr or boss to come back 2 week later as he went oversea. Everyday one of the indian FW will come borrow money to buy food.

  20. AngMoe says:

    This is the most intelligent comments section I have read on this site. Everybody deserves the right to make a better world for themselves anywhere in the world they choose. I actually scan CV’s for living & working abroad experience before even looking at qualifications & length of tenure in jobs…i have infinite respect for any man or woman who can make it abroad because it it not an easy path anywhere in the world. Regarding foreigners being welcome in any developed land there is one universal truth…O N L Y the lower class of any society does not welcome foreigners. Lower class Australians don’t want foreigners living in Australia same as lower class Singaporeans don’t like foreigners living in Singapore…best strategy is to ignore them and focus on what is important to yourself and your family.

    • To_angmoe says:

      Your angmoe country politicians are of lower
      Class as no country in the world adopts Singapore
      Free immigration policy of foreigners to work
      In Sg without criminal record check in their country
      Or check for false qualifications
      Sg PMETs who are the ones qualified to migrate
      Because of the destruction of Sg culture are of
      Lower class in your opinion.
      There is no level playing field and every Sg except
      The small class of elite in Sg losing their
      Survival to foreigners.
      If there is freedom of speech n democracy in Sg
      As in western countries or in middle east, we would
      See another “Arab Spring” a long time ago
      You are expecting me to believe you that you
      Agree that your country should adopt the open
      Immigration policy like what the ruling party does
      To Sg
      I dont see how the lower class Sg people are
      Able to get overseas experience to get employed
      By you.
      Why dont you go back to your country m help
      Your country change your immigration pOlicy
      N have a level playing field immigration policy to
      All the people in the world to work in our country

      • To_angmoe says:

        To work in your country

        Otherwise, give yourself some dignity and take
        Up Sg citizenship as your ang moe low class politicians
        Are dead wrong to restrict foreigners to your country.
        Better after taking up sg citizenship, stand for election
        And become a cabinet minister of ruling party at least and
        Maybe freedom n democracy may improve
        Or will history repeat itself during election
        For opposition ,
        Oh you know about past elections since 1959?

  21. jj says:

    In S’pore, respective unions are controlled by NTUC. NTUC is controlled by PAP. PAP is controlled by the Lee family & their loyal associates. PAP is very pro-employers & not so pro-employees.

    Although, PAP proclaimed S’pore is a developed country & a first class country. But it refused to implement good social benefits policy & minimum wage policy to help the working class & poor. The wages or benefits or so called compensation for the CEOs or directors working in government controlled companies are not cap. It always went up.

    Contruction workers, bus drivers, cleaners, retail assistants, car washers, waiters, kitchen helpers, storekeepers, factory operators, therapy assistants, security guards etc are some of the low wage, long working hours, low social status jobs which one can find the recruitment of these jobs in newspapers daily. Among them, cleaners & car washers are said to be the lowest paid workers.

    Secretary-General of the NTUC, Lim Swee Say said NTUC will help cleaners who earned less than $1000/mth to earn $1000/mth; help cleaners who earned $1000/mth to earn $1200/mth. If we observe the working condition of the cleaners working in the shopping malls, foodcourts, hawker centres, sweeping the streets, cleaning the trash in housing estates. We will know that it is tough being a cleaner. Is paying monthly wage of $1000 or $1200 enough for the cleaners?

    • AngMoe says:

      I agree that the salary a cleaner receives could make their lives difficult, the cost of living has risen greatly.
      It brings me great relief that Lim Swee Say is working on a solution.
      I wonder if Maids in Singapore earning $15 for every 16 hour day (& some don’t even get a weekly day off) will have their plight supported too.

      Moving on, and what this article is about, it might prove beneficial for cleaners with no other transferable skills to try out living & working in Australia & see if they can forge a better future for themselves

      • Local says:

        This angmoe think we Sg who employ maids
        Are paying maids low salary?
        I know of some Sg couple earns combined $2500 mnthly
        Husband n wife combined, but have no choice
        But to employ a maid ,
        Reasons to go to work,
        . Future job may improve
        .work overtime
        . No work , no food to eat even if i take care of
        My child
        Etc,etc
        Present cost of a maid monthly
        1. Govt levy. $200 to $250 (before was higher)
        2. Salary $380
        3. Food $100 (say) maid share of food
        4 room to stay $400 ( opportunity cost )
        5. Medical $30
        Just the basic, exclude agent fee n initial
        Cost of employing maid
        Total over $1,000

        This angmoe is trying to take us for suckers
        Or does not know basic accounting, even if
        He dont hv a degree in accounting,
        Is strange that he excludes all expenses spent
        On maid
        Does he not pay govt levy (against the law, mate)n share room with his
        Maid n wife ?
        And he gives the leftover to his maid to eat?
        Does he not give in day off or compensate the
        Maid un accordance with the new law? Maybe
        He goes out with the maid n pay for the jalan
        Jalan at mcritchie reservoir and is free sxxk,
        The way i see it, othwerwise , how is the
        Cost be $450 a mth , even ang moe families
        In Sg pay $600 average for long term maid
        and all the other expenses, no hanky Panky
        Maybe this angmoe is paying a pinay more
        Money or maybe pinay can do it for free

      • Joe says:

        You are only considering direct cost
        Of the maid salary
        To the households, we take in indirect costs
        As your business include operating costs

        Please dont not be naive or worse, trying to con
        Your angmoe families here to pay more than the
        Market price in Sg
        In Hong Kong, govt levy was non existence for
        Many years, and is a small amt if S$50 now
        So they can pay higher salary n Hong Kong
        Is richer than singapore
        I can be sarcastic and say USA or EUROPE or
        CANADA pAy higher or say 300 years ago,
        Angmoes if USA , descendents of europeans
        get free maid or should i say slave service
        Whom they capture from Africa

        So please dont be an idiot and compare
        A durian with an avocado !

  22. To_Angmoe says:

    To angmoe,
    So you are a professional and that’s how you work
    Out the salary of maids,
    Does the maid pay the food and accommodation,
    Electricity m water n other utilities bills, the levy?
    What the cost of employing a maid?
    $350 to 450 / mth?
    So i thgt you are an employer, do you cover
    Your employee food n accommodation n transport
    Expenses
    The total costs of a maid is $1,000 easily
    the room maid is an opportunity cost, can be rented
    Out to earn income

    I did not employ a maid as it does not work
    Out to earn $2000, say to pay out $1,000 and
    My expenses on food n transport comes to $500,
    Having to spend 12 to 15 hours a day (on work n
    Travel time and my brain is still in the job when
    I am at home)

    Does the angmoe think Sg are that fucking stupid , that
    We are idiots,
    Oh, I see ang moe pays a maid $1,000 and pays
    The levy, food n acccmodation n two days off a week
    Wow, that more that what angmoe families pay
    Maids in Singapore, about $500 to start
    Angmoe think we are fucking suckers and can
    Bullshit us to pay maids $1,000
    Dont you think you should pay your maid $1,500
    With all other expenses covered by you as they work 16 hr
    I suggest alll maids leave the country , dont
    Bother to use sg as a stepping stone to HK or
    CANADA
    AND ALL FOREIGNERS LEAVE SG, go to work
    In angmoe countries where the salary is higher n
    Shorter working hours
    Asshole !
    Signed off
    Living overseas

  23. Angmoe_aust says:

    Ang moe should go and stand for election n
    Become the PM of aust n allow retired PMET
    Who have became cleaners in sg in time to over
    Or worse are unemployed as cleaners are foreigners,
    That way, angmoe can tap the skills of retired sg
    Sure , your aust whites will accept more asians
    Into aust.
    If you think u can get their support
    I am prepared to kill myself in front of you
    In honour of your genuine humanity to mankind
    Regardless race, language or religion
    (our sg pledge does not say equality to non sg
    Citizens which is the same for all countries)
    Dont just talk cock , walk the talk, just talk good
    To show off you have a good heart
    If you cannot do it, dont talk cock !
    I challenge u with my life, do it!!! Shit !
    Signed off
    Living overseas

  24. AngMoe says:

    In Summary, 4 respondant’s had nothing further to say about supporting the cleaners salary increase (which I agree with BTW)but fiercely opposed a maids salary increase – and one respondant even wanted to send them all home.

    This thread is about working abroad, seeking opportunity for betterment outside of one’s home country.

    Maids are already away from their families doing this & there hasn’t been one scrap of compassion for them, not to mention only 2 people (and I was one of them) applauding support for Singaporean cleaners. What was an informative article is now riddled with comments displaying the sheer selfishness of some of the contributors. My Singaporean family, friends & colleagues are nothing like some of the unsavoury posters here and i see this as a good thing.

  25. Sg_born says:

    Maid’s salary is at market value and it is up
    To the individual employer to decide how
    Much to Pay.
    Yes, salary can be increased but will that affect
    Their employment if prospective employers cannot afford.
    So statiscally, eg, an increase of $100 will decrease
    A certain number of employers or these employers
    Borrow more money from the bank, etc
    There is a minimum which is due to market forces.
    I am sure a good maid will be rewarded with
    More benefits , let alone just increase in
    salary, i read in the ST before, a maid in Sg
    Inherited a condo when her employer passed
    On, i am sure she was treated like a family member
    In the other hand, I will not hesitate to sack a
    Maid who is really outrageous or treat a maid
    As a member of the family which should be.
    I know some foreigners and maids are ungrateful
    And add insult to injury when they were able
    To use Singapore as a stepping stone to go
    Better places and they will say Singapore and
    The past employers are bad !
    Good luck to them, esp. Some filipinos, as
    I have filipinos relatives n family, I not familiar with other
    Races like indonesians, etc, some filipinos
    Will stab your back, it is in their culture so
    They do it as a culture with nO conscious,
    Fortunately some just talk bad behind your back!
    Anyway, this article is not about
    Maid’s salary !
    Nobody is sending all the maids home but
    There is a suggestion that if they are not happy,
    Go somewhere better to work immediately, maybe
    Middle East , etc,
    However , the issue is the ruling party ‘s
    Policy of mass immigration has caused sg
    Citizens to be replaced which is against the
    CONSTITUTION of protecting its own citizens.
    Maybe killing its own people like in Syria
    Is better than dying slowly with no shelter n
    Food.
    Perhaps, you will say have a Singapore Spring, hahaha
    Maybe you have not lived long enough in Sg, say
    From 1959 onwards..
    BTW, the 4 posts maybe from the same person,
    So is this post !
    Signed
    Sg living overseas but want my forefather’s
    Land back for me !

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  27. GET LOST says:

    sg chinks can’t hack it in australia. for one, you have terrible english diction and pronunciation. you make your intonations sound mandarin. and the aussies would go like “wtf yellow monkey eh bloody hell?”

  28. sal says:

    If you cannot survive in your own country…..theres nothing to lose, go for it >>> downunder. Life is a journey, you never know what you discover?

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